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  Low SocioEconomic Stature of Most Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Band on the Run in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am wary to post this.

  slaves can be extraordinary christians.

  a large part of my problem was being exposed to abject poverty through the witnesses.

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  Bungi Bill

  I remember once a study being carried out on the socio-economic status of the various Christian denominations.

  Not surprisingly, the Witnesses were at the bottom of the pile:

  - i.e. as regards education, per capita annual income, and just about everything else as well.

  Increasingly over the years, I felt myself becoming offended whenever a new kingdom hall / assembly hall was to be built, and the WTS seemed to expect the money just to appear out of nowhere:

  - We were forbidden to have an education.

  - We were forbidden to have money (that was being "materialistic").

  - Yet when funding for a new hall was required, we were still expected to be able to "cough up the dough."

  This was particularly bad during the recession of the early 1990s. At that stage, I was living in a low-cost housing area (read bloody poor!). This district was spilling over with JWs, simply because they could not afford to live anywhere else.

  All of us were struggling, and many did not even have a regular job.

  YET - from the platform, we were repeatedly being accused of sitting on top of large stashes of money, which we should be giving to the Kingdom Hall Fund.

  I tell you, I was not the only one to have been offended by such talk!

  Bill.
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  JW Whips 12 year old daughter to death !! This is very graphic be warned!!

  by Hairyhegoat in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is a old case but just shows what goes on behind closed doors if you are a jw family.

  this arsehole needs to go to the chair!!.

  more news:.

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  Bungi Bill

  I concur with those who apportion a large degree of responsibility for this outrage on religion - particularly the Old Testament's ideas of discipline.

  Granted, this instance is an extreme case. However, Bible verses like the one about "using the rod" make child abuse all too likely to occur.

  In the 28 years I was with the JWs, I observed child abuse to be the rule rather than the exception.

  Bill.
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  Pyramidologists: the Great Pyramid of Gizeh

  by Spade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://jehovahswitnesses21.blogspot.com/2010/12/pyramidologists-great-pyramid-of-gizeh.html.

  the great pyramid of gizeh (one of the oldest of the seven wonders of the ancient world) had special meaning to charles taze russell and the bible students in 19th century.. .

  they attempted to corroborate biblical time periods with the great pyramid for two reasons:.

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  Bungi Bill

  Incredible as this may now seem, Pyramidolgy was once taken quite seriously by science.

  A Professor Charles Smyth published a book in 1864, entitled "The Great Pyramid - Its Secrets and Mysteries Revealed." For decades after that, there was condiderable excitement generated by this subject.

  Amongst other things, the interior of the Pyramid of Gizeh seemingly contained "Chronological Marks."

  If a little imagination were used, together with special units of measurement known as "Pyramid Inches" (which were to linear measurement what 360 day long years were to Freddy Franz's prophetic measurements!), such dates as AD 1874 and AD 1914 can be identified.

  However, during the late 19th Century, the whole idea was well an truly debunked, and seen for what it really is;

  - i.e. Pseudo-Science, pure and simple!

  C.T. Russell was evidently an avid reader of the study of Pyramidology. And although he did not get the date of 1914 from the Great Pyramid, he would have no doubt been convinced that it confirmed this date (which had its orgins in a breakaway group from the Second Advent Church, and led by N.H. Barbour).

  The moral of the story would appear to be, if two prophetic dates happen to coincide, it means absolutely nothing at all!

  Bill.
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  The Man who changed YOUR LIFE (part 2)

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  william miller began his preaching reluctantly.

  he had no formal training and he was self-educated.

  but, having suffered a crisis of faith and having experienced the restoration of belief in a hand's-on god; this only gave his messege conviction.. the shortness of time until the end was the core of the witness work begun in the pulpit of local churches he'd been invited to preach in.. the messege was urgent, but, why would people listen?

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  Bungi Bill

  The JWs account of the history of "pure worship", from its supression in the post - apostolic era until its supposed "restoration" in the late 19th Century, makes no mention of the role William Miller played;

  - little wonder!

  Out of the wreckage from The Great Disappointment came the likes of the Seventh Day Adventists, the Christedelphians, and the Second Advent Church.

  One Nelson H. Barbour was for a time with the Second Advent Church, before doing his own thing with a prediction about the year 1873;

  - which was subsequently amended to 1874.

  C.T. Russell got involved with N.H. Barbour around about 1876, by which time Barbour had decided that he was still correct:

  - only that Christ had in fact made an "Invisible Return" in 1874!

  Also, it was Barbour who gave Russell the idea that 1914 was to be a significant date (later seemingly backed up by Pyramidology).

  As to the rest of this story, most of us here are only too well aware!

  So forget your Waldenses, Tyndales, Wycliffes etc.

  - Terry is quite correct, the JWs owe their existence to The Millerites, and to what came after them.

  Bill.
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  How long did it take you to get rid of your WTS library & literature?

  by Think About It in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it took me a little over 2 years from the time i quit going.

  been out 15 years now and no wts literature since.. .

  think about it .

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  Bungi Bill

  Within weeks of making the decision to break with them;

  - courtesy of half a dozen matches, and about a gallon of kerosene!

  Bill.
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  What is this overlapping generation crap?

  by sinis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can someone provide a picture of the article that talks about this?

  would love to share this with one remaining family member... thanks!.

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  Bungi Bill

  In coming up with this "ovelapping generation" story, the WTS is in actual fact admitting to us that it has no idea what the hell it is talking about:

  - without actually saying so in so many words.

  Bill.

  PS: The saying "If you can't blind with science, you can always try to baffle with bullshit" comes very much to mind over this one!
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  Special Assembly: CO admits the grip is tightning.....

  by yourmomma in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what im about to post is the exact words from the co during the last talk of the most recent special assembly day.

  even though im out i still try to keep up with what is being said just cause i find it interesting, and alot of stuff i find funny, but this stuff is starting to get scary, and i fear for my friends who are still in.

  here are the exact words:.

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  Bungi Bill

  The expression "The More Things Change, The More They Stay The Same" comes to mind!

  Bill.
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  Would You Ever Go Back To The Kingdom Hall?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ever?

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  Bungi Bill

  I sometimes still have nightmares about turning up in the Kingdom Hall.

  That is about as close, though, as I am every going to get:

  - i.e. in my nightmares!

  Bill.
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  WTBTS Downplays Marital Problems Among JWs

  by JW GoneBad in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the jan 15, 2011 watchtower study edition has a study article that will be studied on march 7-13, 2011 (respect marriage as a gift from god).

  in it the wtbts tries to minimize and distort the high rate of divorce among jw's.

  in paragraph 4 it says in part: .

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  Bungi Bill

  My first introduction to domestic violence was when I began associating with the JWs.

  While my own parents did not always get on the best, I had never seen anything remotely like that sort of thing at home;

  - quite a culture shock to a boy just turned 17!

  The JW lifestyle is not exactly family friendly to start with. Combine that with their attitude to women, and something has to break.

  (In this particular case, the wife had definite ideas about running the show herself - and the counsel of one certain elder was that

  her husband should, to quote, "clobber her" in order to establish his "headship").

  Needless to say, that did a fat lot of good!

  These days, I feel like kicking myself when I realize that I knew many non-JW couples who had more happy and stable marriages than most of the JWs I knew.

  Bill.
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  Could you ever go back?

  by MrFreeze in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  not that i'm thinking about it, even for a brief nano-second, but something i have thought about is this, is there any way you could go back and not have people look at you with the stink eye?

  after admitting your true feelings, how in the world could people ever look at you the same?

  if you were in the situation of welcoming someone back, would you be able to look past the errors?

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  Bungi Bill

  Yes, but on one condition:

  - that hell freezes over first!

  Bill.